Some people hear their own Inner Voices with great clarity and they live by what they hear. Such people become crazy or become legends... - Jim Morrison

Thursday, June 26, 2008

"Dosa"-vatharam!!

Dasavatharam only proves a point about Kamal that some of us already know, Kamal is very confused when it comes to making movies. Note the word 'making' and not 'acting'.

As an actor, his histrionic skills are un-questionable. 'Dasa' proves to be a testimony for this fact. But covering up the face in foot-long mask or mould and leaving your eyes alone to do the acting is becoming a pain in the rear-end. The make-up clearly is preventing the emotions to come through. It will surely bring 'wows' from those first-benchers who will leave the theatre and start screaming into those TV channel microphones, "Kamal-u nalla nachikkiraru, kamal-u soopera act kuduthikkiraru....". But I think its high time Kamal showcases his histrionics without a 'fancy-dress'.

Coming back to my statement about Kamal being confused; he watches and admires movies that are made for a higher level of intelligentia, movies that are not meant to be money-grocers, but heart-ticklers. But when it comes to making his own movies, he is forced to make money from a crowd which is a widespread strata of intellectuals, ranging from illiterate to highly qualified. He is always confused whether or not to make movies that are understandable and appreciatable by all. So he always makes a mixture that reaches none.

Dasavatharam is a classic example of this turbid state of mind. By now the 'so-called' concept of Dasavatharam, 'Chaos Theory', has been discussed and dessimated by many reviewers. This review will not go into those details. Rather this post will tell you a piece of information that many filmmakers don't know about their own films.

If Dasavatharam is based on Chaos Theory, every Tamil movie made thus far is based on 'Chaos Theory' !!!!!!

Baffled? Here's why: Kamal argues that the series of events that took place from the 12th century to the modern day tsunami was nature's way of preventing a huge mishap from happening. All the 10 characters, played by 'his excellency', helped nature's course. But what you don't realise is that in every movie made thus far, there is an end towards which the movie is moving and there are a bunch of incidents that happen towards that end. Meaning the characters in the movie help in reaching that end. The only difference is that those characters are not all played by the same person.

For Eg: The villain rapes a young girl. So the hero avenges the villain. Now put 'Chaos Theory' into picture. If the young girl had not put herself into a 'rape'-able position, the evil villain would have never been identified to the hero. So the young girl is nature's little entity in the bigger 'Chaos' picture. See, you can apply this logic to every damn movie.

Other than this 'unique' vision, Dasavatharam is only a bunch of co-incidences in the whole scheme of things, just like any other movie has been. Every thing in our movies happens 'by-chance'. Boy meets girl 'by-chance'. Rain happens 'by-chance'. Hero meets villain 'by-chance'. Villain pushes the hero 'by-chance'. So Dasavatharam is also only a movie of 'chances'.

If you really want to make a movie about Chaos Theory and its subset Butterfly Effect, you do it by showing both sides of the coin. The underlying concept of Chaos Theory is that, no matter an incident X happens or not, nature will make sure that its intended end happens neverthless.

For Eg: Whether or not Krishnaveni Patti puts the 'whatever-thing' into the idol or not, the intended end of 'evil' getting destroyed happens. Thats the 'Butterfly-Effect' in simple terms.

Thats exactly the reason why a movie like 'Butterfly-Effect' scores.

In essence, Kamal should stop being confused and say 'damn-the-money', I will make movies on my own terms. Then, and only then, can his admiration of good movies get translated into his own.

On a side note, here are some notable comedies in the movie:

  • For eons, there have been spam mails circulated about how Rajini in some movie (god knows which) removed the brain tumor with a bullet. No Rajini movie had ever done that, but people took pleasure in ridiculing it. But Kamal-ji you have truly implemented your own form of curing cancer with a bullet-shot, kudos!!
  • Love blossoms in the midst of dead-bodies from the Tsunami, wow, Kadhalin-pudiya konal!!!
  • Jayalalitha supervises the Tsunami destruction, but when the award ceremony happens, Kalaignar is the CM. I know elections are frequent in TN, but THIS frequent? whew!!
  • Why would anyone make a bio-weapon that can be nullified by something as common as 'common-salt' ??? Never said if it needs to be 'iodized' though !!!

Naan 'Dasavatharam' nalla padam illai nu solla maaten....Nalla padama irundha nalla irukkum-nu thaan solren.

Comments and brickbats welcome.

39 comments:

nSiva said...

Not just 'Dosa', its 'Masaal Dosa'.
As you remarked, it was pain on the eyes to see Kamal behind the mask(makeup?!).
Equally painful was the blurry 'camera work' at the beginning of the movie and many other parts too.
As for the comedies, one of the reviewers pointed out why only Bush speaks in US accent when everyone else in his office speaks in Indian accent!
Good read here, but the first-benchers comment was quite distasteful. Infact, our brethren in software companies too are going gaga over the movie. They consider themselves the sole target audience of all Kamal movies!

kumar.s.r said...

Hi , came here from Filberts blog .
I enjoyed watching Dasaavathaaram as a Viewer not as a Reviewer .

samsonsam_7 said...

Mr My Inner voice

Why are wasting your tome on critizing a the most talented person in indian cinema, it is easy to critisez a, first of all who are you , wat do you know about movies,
Try writing review on on some foolish actors who just try looking good on screen creating a song to show six packs, wasting money on song location an d expensive sets,
kamal has always been said that he is his movies are inspired BY hollywood movies, this one is super i know there isa lot of commercial elements in the some, end of the one has done it and can do it the way kaml has perfomed 10 roles with a story, ffor 2 days,
And please stop this nonsense of telling that there is no story in dasaavtharm, it is a movie that strats in 21st centenry and after 10 mins, it starts on 24 2004, and ends on 26 dec 2004, why do want story, for example the movie speed was appreciated by everyone, why didnt peaple look out for a story,

the answer is everyone knows kamal is the best AND EVERY ONE IS TRYING TO BRING HIM DOWN, plase accept the fact that he is one actor who is always trying to do something diff...

Schumi Fan(atic) said...

Mr. Samsonsam_7,

Sorry I cudn't understand a word of what you are trying to get to. I recommend you read Wren and Martin before reading blogs on the net.

samsonsam_7 said...

I think you should understand now?
Or you dont have an answer for it
Thank you..

samsonsam_7 said...

HELLOOOOO
MR
Schumi Fan(atic)

WHERE THE HEL ARE YOU..

Schumi Fan(atic) said...

Samsonsam_7,
Its really tough talking to people who dont even get the fact that they have just been called a moron...You are one! I hope you get the point and start writing comments elsewhere.

PS: HELL is spelt with 2 'L's!!

samsonsam_7 said...

I never new that Hel is spelt as hell. Great job you should be an English teacher. .hehehehe
Dude its common sense..
I DON’T CHECK MY SPELLING WHEN I am REPLYING TO COMMENTS
coz I DON’T WANT TO WASTE MA TIME

Now replying to ur comment
Start writing comments elsewhere.

so you can continue writing nonsense
So WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING
HELLO I AM REPLYING TO YOUR BLOG
WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY STUPID Try AND REPLY FOR THE COMMENTS THAT’S YOUR JOB
or DON’T WRITE SUCH SENSE LESS DOSA - VATHARAM.
I appreciate the fact that you have done so much of research for kamal movies, but end of the day like dog shouting at a mountain.
tell me one actor who is multi talented as kamal?
And I CAN Understand YOU CALLING ME MORON.
COZ UR FRUSTRATED. Chill AND BE SENSIBLE. Try FINDING REMAKES FOR BOLLYWOOD MOVIES YOU WILL FIND THAT EVERY MOVIE IS A REMAKE... or take any other star i can give you a list of movies they have remade.
I agree the fact that
There are few movies of kamal inspired by hollywood.
But there other famous actors who has remade our own Indian movies and trying to be a superstar..
Remake and inspired is different.
Name an actor and i will give you the list of remakes...

Schumi Fan(atic) said...

Your reply shows how naive you are. Be subjective in your discussions. My blog was a review of a Kamal's movie. Argue to that point alone. Don't make your argument sound like a politician's reply which goes, "I swindled only 10 crores, but there are others who swindle 20 crores, go ask them". For years we Indians have had the same mentality. Your mistake is not justified just because someone else does the same. In simple terms, dont eat SH**, just because a pig next to you eats it!!!!

samsonsam_7 said...

As far as you compare other actors as pigs, I am ok with it, thank you
Dude, accept the fact that you do not have an answer for my comment.
Don’t give some stupid reasons.
And if that is the case why have you put all those Hollywood trailers which remind you of kamal movies.
I think you got ur answer for all those trailers.
Coming back to your blog on kamals movie
(For Eg: The villain rapes a young girl. So the hero avenges the villain. Now put 'Chaos Theory' into picture.)

Your example is stupid and doesn’t make sense; it shows clearly that you have not understood the concept 'Chaos Theory'
'Chaos Theory' is incidents that happen is unpredictable and even though everything is perfect and well planned.

You have written few comments.
(Love blossoms in the midst of dead-bodies from the Tsunami, wow, Kadhalin-pudiya konal!!!)
You again misunderstood the scene
Love blossoms when kamal comes back with idol to save asin when she was kidnapped by Fletcher. However she only tells kamal after the Tsunami.
(But Kamal-ji you have truly implemented your own form of curing cancer with a bullet-shot, kudos!!)
There has been an incident in the past that a person was shot and they removed bullet, and while they removed the bullet he was cured with cancer.
I do have some more answers for your blog but no time.
Well until then you try to answer this,

Schumi Fan(atic) said...

Samsonsam_7,

Live in your own world and dream your own crappy dreams!!! Your so-called "super duper genius brain has come with an ultra-extraordinary explanation" for Chaos Theory and it goes like this..."'Chaos Theory' is incidents that happen is unpredictable and even though everything is perfect and well planned." Wow, scientists and researchers will be amazed!!! Here is a fully qualified definition for Chaos Theory...
Chaos theory describes the behavior of certain dynamical systems – that is, systems whose state evolves with time – that may exhibit dynamics that are highly sensitive to initial conditions (popularly referred to as the butterfly effect). As a result of this sensitivity, which manifests itself as an exponential growth of perturbations in the initial conditions, the behavior of chaotic systems appears to be random. This happens even though these systems are deterministic, meaning that their future dynamics are fully defined by their initial conditions, with no random elements involved. This explanation tells me that any system where the END has been determined no matter what incidents happen to reach that end, is an example for a Chaos Theory compliant system. My example matches this perfectly. The END has been determined, hero kills the villain. How the hero reaches the point to kill the villain may be different in differnet movies. But the END is pre-defined. This is a perfect example in the context of DASA. Because just like DASA, no movie shows both sides of the coin. For eg, if a movie shows the killing of the villain, whether a young girl gets raped or not, then its a perfect portrayal of Chaos theory. if it doesn't show atleast 2 cases of an incident happening or not, then its only plain old frikkin*** CO-INCIDENCE.
I am damn sure you are not going to understand a word of what I am trying to explain and you are going to come back with a damn stupid reply which you would write thinking that you are the next Einstein, while the fact remains that you are as big a moron as a moron can be!!!! If you still reply to this post, it only justifies the point I just made!!!!

samsonsam_7 said...

DON’T TRY TO ESCAPE MR. INNER VOICE.
BY SAYING YOU ARE big MORON a moron as a moron can be!!!! If you still reply to this post, it only justifies the point I just made!!!!

I can understand you trying your best to get rid of me.


Don’t behave like a school kid, shouting moron
Just by you saying moron, it is not going to justify anything.

I think this the only word you have learnt
Anyway I will not call you a moron, coz there will be no difference between you and me.



If you are so confident, fight back
OK I GIVE UP U HAVE BETTER KNOWLEDGE ABOUT ‘Chaos Theory'

You have only replied for the first part of the comment


What do you have to say about?
You have written few comments.
(Love blossoms in the midst of dead-bodies from the Tsunami, wow, Kadhalin-pudiya konal!!!)
You again misunderstood the scene
Love blossoms when kamal comes back with idol to save asin when she was kidnapped by Fletcher. However she only tells kamal after the Tsunami.
(But Kamal-ji you have truly implemented your own form of curing cancer with a bullet-shot, kudos!!)
There has been an incident in the past that a person was shot and they removed bullet, and while they removed the bullet he was cured with cancer.
Awaiting reply…

Schumi Fan(atic) said...

Finally Samsonsam_7,

You have some humility in having understood the Chaos Theory portion of the movie. So you only want an answer to these "brilliant" questions from you:-

"
What do you have to say about?
You have written few comments.
(Love blossoms in the midst of dead-bodies from the Tsunami, wow, Kadhalin-pudiya konal!!!)
You again misunderstood the scene
Love blossoms when kamal comes back with idol to save asin when she was kidnapped by Fletcher. However she only tells kamal after the Tsunami.
(But Kamal-ji you have truly implemented your own form of curing cancer with a bullet-shot, kudos!!)
There has been an incident in the past that a person was shot and they removed bullet, and while they removed the bullet he was cured with cancer.
Awaiting reply…
"

1) No matter when she expresses it, as a director or a creator or writer, whatever Kamal claims to be, one has to give due respect for a calamity like the Tsunami and not use it as a premise or backdrop to shoot a love-scene. how would you like to have depicted a romantic song amidst the Jallianwallah Bagh incident? As an Indian, it hurst. That was what I meant, but if you still want to stand by your opinion, you are welcome.

2) About curing cancer with a bullet wound, Wow, Kamal has "truly used an exceptional true life incident to depict curing cancer. Kudos to his genius." This is probably the highlight of the movie!! Thanks for opening my eyes to this "divine vision".

samsonsam_7 said...

What is this Mr. Inner voice?
You seem to give-up

By asking this stupid question (So you only want an answer to these "brilliant" questions from you:-

Please
I am only asking you reply for the blog what you have written.

You are the one who have written the blog for dasavatharam, not me?
Seems like you lost it between the conversations

Hope you realize.

You blog so brilliant that
It makes me ask you these "brilliant" questions

Coming back to the comeeeeeeeent…. (please do spell check) hahaha



1) No matter when she expresses it, as a director or a creator or writer, whatever Kamal claims to be, one has to give due respect for a calamity like the Tsunami and not use it as a premise or backdrop to shoot a love-scene.

YOU SAID LOVE Scene?
EXCUSE ME
I DON’T THINK THAT KAMAL AND ASIN WERE KISSING EACH OTHER OR
WERE TALKING SOMETHING ROMANTIC.
THEY WERE ONLY HAVING A CONVERSATION. IT ONLY APPEARED AS ASIN WAS TRYING TO PASS ON THE MESSAGE

It only looks like you have taken an oath to criticize kamal.

It only looks like you have watched the movie to find mistakes
Coz
You were unsuccessful to find Hollywood inspiration for dasavatharam

Hahahah…

Keep trying work hard on it
It will only do good for kamal Hassan
Who will realize his mistakes and will take it as a challenge.

Schumi Fan(atic) said...

Yeah,
As a propoganda manager for Kamal, I am sure you will pass on the message to him and make sure he corrects his mistakes. People like you are those my friend Siva rightly said, You consider yourselves the sole target audience of all Kamal movies and also consider yourselves as the so-called intelligentia, while all the others who walk and talk around you are people who dont understand "intellectual-art". I only pity your ignorance!!!

Schumi Fan(atic) said...

And BTW, what an extraordinary explanation you have to explain the scene amidst the Tsunami:-
"I DON’T THINK THAT KAMAL AND ASIN WERE KISSING EACH OTHER OR
WERE TALKING SOMETHING ROMANTIC.
THEY WERE ONLY HAVING A CONVERSATION. IT ONLY APPEARED AS ASIN WAS TRYING TO PASS ON THE MESSAGE"....

"..PASS ON THE MESSAGE.." this kept me laughing for an hour. Talking to a person like you is like watching a Vijayakanth movie or a Sam Anderson song...OMG, I can't tell you how much fun we have reading your comments...pls send us a blog link if you have one, I am sure we'll have more fun reading it...And please do continue to write in your English...its as good as "We will meet...will meet...meet!!!"

Schumi Fan(atic) said...

And BTW Samsonsam, what is the comment you keep mentioning for which you need an answer, please be specific...

samy said...

EXCUSE ME IF YOU ARE DARE ENOUGH POST MY COMMENTS
OR ACCEPT THE FACT YOU CANNOT ANSWER.
AND STOP DELETING MY COMMENTS. YOU COWARD
IT CLEARLY SHOWS THAT YOU ARE FAKE.

I ACCEPT THAT YOUR ENGLISH IS BETTER THAN MINE, BUT I HAVE BETTER KNOWLEDGE ABOUT MOVIES AND ACTORS THAN YOU.
SO THIS WILL TEACH YOU A LESSON FROM WRITING STUPID BLOGS ON PEOPLE WITH GREAT TALENT.

START WRITING BLOGS ON SOMETHING WHICH MAKES SENSE OR WRITE A BLOG ON SOME FAMOUS CELEBRITIES WHO DO NOT DESERVE THE RECOGNITION.

Schumi Fan(atic) said...

Samy,

Mind your frickin' language. I don't delete comments. I have better things to do. What was the comment you mention that I deleted. Dare to post it again.

I did hear from one of my other friends that he was erroring out when posting a comment, but his comment was later published after a couple of attempts. But take it from a man who stands by his word, that I did not delete any comments. I write blogs on things I like to write about. I don't need some third person telling me what I need to write about.

If you think my blog was senseless, sitting and reading it and writing comments on it makes you the most senseless person!!!!

samy said...

IF YOU THINK sitting and reading it and writing comments on it makes you the most senseless person
THEN WHY HAVE YOU WRITTEN THIS IN THE END OF YOUR BLOG (Comments and brickbats welcome)
SO FAR I HAVE POSTED 4 COMMENTS PRIOR TO THIS, AND HOW COME ONLY MY COMMENTS HAVE AN ERROR, E YOU CLEVERLY DELETED THE ONE WHICH POINTED OUT THE MISTAKES IN YOUR BLOG, And YOUR REPLY IS ONLY PARTIAL. YOU ONLY MAKE FUN OF MY ENGLISH, YOU ARE NOT READY ACCEPT THE FACT,
AS I HAVE ACCEPTED IN MY PREVIOUS COMMENTS
AS YOU POINTED OUT EARLIER, YOUR BLOCK IS ABOUT KAMAL MOVIE SO STICK TO THIS ALONE

Schumi Fan(atic) said...

Dude,
I never said dont write comments in my blog. It was to those who think my blog was worth reading and want to have a healthy argument about it. You were the one who said the blog is senseless, thats why I told you that you were even more senseless to comment on a "senseless" blog. Even this simple thing has to be explained to you.

Please post the so-called "mistakes" in my blog again. I have no control over how blogspot publishes the comment. If you have the patience, write to their customer support. Meanwhile, please post your questions again, I will try to answer them.

samy said...

THERE ARE 2 REASONS FOR THE ME TO COMMENT ON YOUR BLOG

1. TO MAKE YOU REALIZE THAT YOUR BLOG IS PARTIAL. AND YOU HAVE COMPLETELY MISUNDERSTOOD THE CONCEPT OF DASAVATHARAM.

2. TO MAKE OTHERS (PEOPLE WHO READ YOUR BLOG AND APPRECIATE IT)
REALIZE AS WELL.



I AM NOT DENYING THE FACT THAT THE MOVIES HAS FLAWS.
I DO SEE MISTAKES IN THE MOVIE. IT COULD HAVE BEEN MADE BETTER.

BUT THE CONCEPT AND THE EFFORT MADE SHOULD BE APPRECIATED, IT IS NOT AN EASY SCRIPT TO RIGHT AND TIME THOSE TEN CHARACTERS AT THE RIGHT TIME, AND ALSO MOST IMPORTANTLY TO CARRY THOSE CHARACTERS UNTIL THE END OF THE MOVIE, IT S A BRILLIANT EFFORT IN INDIAN CINEMA

Schumi Fan(atic) said...

Dude,
You said:
"TO MAKE YOU REALIZE THAT YOUR BLOG IS PARTIAL. AND YOU HAVE COMPLETELY MISUNDERSTOOD THE CONCEPT OF DASAVATHARAM."

Please make me understand what part of the movie I have misunderstood. My blog clearly says why the movie is over-hyped and does not deserve the atention it is getting. What is the concept that you keep raving about that I did not get?

samy said...

I have already explained the all those in my previous comments.

I do not want to go over it again.

(Why the movie is over-hyped and does not deserve the attention it is getting.)

I certainly feel that all the movies of kamal hassan deserves attention.
Simply because the kind of effort he puts into each character the way he learns the style and the accent
He completely transforms into the character. It is unfortunate that only dasavatharam has been over hyped (reason it’s the costliest film ever made in India.)

I understand the movie has been over hyped before it s release.
However it certainly deserves attention, as the whole unit has worked hard
And no one has done ten roles the way kamal has acted it. It is not easy to bring emotions and show different expression with all that makeup, but still kamal has managed it with his eyes and body language.
It pity to know the fact that people only appreciate actors with colorful dress, good looking, style but no talent.
As Hirthik rightly said, that anyone can look good with the cinema lights and camera work, all that matters is talent.
But again unfortunately this the first time I see that kamal Hassan movie has been given so much attention which good.

Schumi Fan(atic) said...

Dude,

One thing you fail to understand when you are vehemently defending Kamal is that, there are 2 Kamals in existence. One, the actor and the other, the creator. He seems to have all these ideas of roles which he himslef wants to essay. In Dasavatharam, if he has a great script and by god's grace he had a producer who shelled out so much money, he should have essayed the main role (the scientist) and got other good actors to do the other roles. What that would have done is that, it would have eliminated, the need to synchronize the entry and exits of all Kamals and would have had less CG cost and effort. Then Dasavatharam, inspite of the glitches in the story-line, would have been a better offering. For the glitches in the story line and the time lapses in the movie read this: http://www.prempanicker.com/index.php?/site/dasavatharam_my_take/.

Now coming to the effort of make-up comment, make-up is an often confused word. Make-up should be in such a way that it shouldn't show as a make up. Anbe Sivam was probably his only decent take on a make-up where it enhances the character. Rest are all, let me say, not wprth talking about.

On top of all this, Tamil Cinema has truly out-grown what its take used to be and has grown miles in advance. Kamal, still thinks he carries the brunt to advance it. He needs a wide awakening. There is a movie called 'Achamundu Achamundu', starring Prasanna and Sneha coming out soon. Its by a New Jersey based NRI, Arun Vaidyanathan. Watch it and then tell me if in the last ten years, if Kamal has been part of any of the top ten movies to have graced Tamil Cinema. Dont do a SUN TV top ten list, but do a critical top ten list of movies in the last ten years and the sad news is that, none of Kamal's movies will figure in that list.

samy said...

First thing i want you guys to stop this bullshit BY saying
I am a diehard fan of kamal hassan
And friend saying before you read this I am a kamal hassan fan
Who understood the concept the same way as you have?
http://www.prempanicker.com/index.php?/site/dasavatharam_my_take/.

Now as you say kamal hassan should have essayed the main role (the scientist) and got other good actors to do the other roles.

What is the difference between kamal hassan and other actors
What makes the diff is one actor playing ten CHARACTERS in the same movie.
Otherwise it would have become an ORDINARY movie.
no one would any expectations.

I DEFINITELY AGREE about the make part few CHARACTERS the make up looks odd, it could have been better.
That is why i say that it could been a better movie, but it is not worse, we need to appreciate the effort out in to give something diff, it is al ways easy to do the same thing and play safe by doing some thing that has already been done with any effort getting things easy.
But the real satisfaction is when ACHIEVE some with great difficulty, (NO pain no Gain)

And please stop this crap
(DON’T do a SUN TV top ten list, but do a critical top ten list of movies in the last ten years and the sad news is that, none of Kamal's movies will figure in that list.)
You and your SUN TV keep it for your self. DON’T act like the your the only person who watches English movies the rest are watching SUN TV. In India

In the last ten years virmandi- won the best asian film award.

Heyram was taken as a lesson for a SEMESTER in a university,

Now DON’T ask again expect these movies.

(There is a movie called 'Achamundu Achamundu', starring Prasanna and Sneha coming out soon.) ya i know they used the red camera. SO WHAT’S the big DEAL?
Even marma yogi will be shot red camera.

samy said...

First thing I want you guys to stop this bullshit BY saying
I am a diehard fan of kamal hassan
And your friend (http://www.prempanicker.com/index.php?/site/dasavatharam_my_take/.)
Saying before you read this I am a kamal hassan fan
We can make that you people are clearly manipulating others


now as you say kamal hassan should have essayed the main role (the scientist) and got other good actors to do the other roles.

What is the difference between kamal hassan and other actors
What makes the diff is one actor playing ten CHARACTERS in the same movie.
Otherwise it would have become an ORDINARY movie.
No one would have had any expectation

I definitely AGREE about the make part few CHARACTERS the make up looks odd, it could have been better.
That is why I say that it could been a better movie, but it is not worse, we need to appreciate the effort they put in to give something diff, it is al ways easy to do the same thing and play safe by doing some thing that has already been done with any effort getting things easy.
But the real satisfaction is when ACHIEVE some with great difficulty, (NO pain no Gain)

And please stop this crap
(DON’T do a SUN TV top ten list, but do a critical top ten list of movies in the last ten years and the sad news is that, none of Kamal's movies will figure in that list.)
You and your SUN TV keep it for your self. DON’T act like the your the only person who watches English movies the rest are watching SUN TV. In India

In the last ten years virmandi- won the best asian film award.

Heyram was taken as a lesson for a SEMESTER in a university,

now DON’T ask again EXCEPT these movies

There is a movie called 'Achamundu Achamundu', starring Prasanna and Sneha coming out soon.) ya i know they used the red camera. SO WHAT’S the big DEAL?
Even marma yogi will be shot red camera

think real said...

To all those who hail or hammer kamal, the first thing I want to say is, I am quite neutral about him. I am not too bent upon him like a die hard fan that hoist's his flag whenever he sneezes and yawns or I am not a hostile critic who pokes a spoon into an egg to pull out a rat. I would just jot down all my thought about the movie dasa.

First thing, I am always a person who appreciates great efforts, if and only if the efforts were sensible. For that case, I didn't like the movie. Perhaps I don't feel that the movie really needed 10 roles being done by the same person. It would have been a better movie if they had stopped with 4 or 5 characters, leaving the remaining to other actors. I seriously waited till the last minute of the movie to see each character contributing a significant part (though small) to the story, eventually leaving my expectations in vain. There is no point in doing 10 roles jus for the heck of doing it. I know for sure there will be a couple of die-hardys who will be waiting to pounce on me with that huge email forward that explains those ten roles.

To all those who forward that email for the glory of kamal...I would like to ask a question. What does he actually want to say with all this? This is jus quizical..starting from the so called chaos theory or its subset the butterfly theory, towards biological weapons and slowly drifting towards Indian mythology and finally a pinch of that salty atheism...!!!!

dude..wats all this, pls give me a break...why squeeze so much inside 3hrs...atleast 90% percent of the population who watched the movie didnt have a clue what they were watching. All the above concepts that were literally squeezed/forced into the movie went unexplained. Why does kamal want to do this? To show people that he knows all nonsense about every possible thing o earth? To make the film industry scream that kamal is a genious? To break a record that shivaji ganesan had done? to prove to the tamil masses that he is better than shivaji ganesan? Or to simply attract the attention of a world class politician just to gain some international footage? I just don't see the point.

all throughout the movie if you observe, Asin the pious girl is being portrayed as very irritating character. Even at the tsunami site, she goes searching for the idol. The editing and screenplay has been very clevery devised to portray her as a selfish annoying girl. why ???.... I feel that it was purpose fully done to emphasize a wrong fact about religious people, as if they dont care about anything thats happening around them and all they care about is their own beliefs and nothing else. This explicitly shows how kamal is bent upon his aethist ideas. If you are that, jus be it...why bring it to a movie?

"kadavul illanu naan sollala....irundhirundha nalla irundhirukumae nu thaan sonnane"...what the fish man?

To those who dont follow tamil, here is the exact translation..."I never said there is no god...I only said that it would have been better if there is one"

if you the split this statement into two, one portion is the exact contradiction of the other...here it goes...

"I never said there is no god" = which means there is a PROBABILITY that god exists.

"I only said that it would have been better if there is one" = which means that he believes there isn't one.

Comparing these two, there is a probability for something to exist and asserting exactly the opposite, boils down to the fact that what you assert takes higher precedence over what you probably believe. There is no god !!!

what ??? do u have the guts to say that as a non confusing one liner...just try it dude and see how the world reacts. If you are an aethist, no one can stop you, but keep it to yourself. dont try to emphasize it using a fishy statement. Or if you dare to, say that right on the face. I can go on and on about the whole big crap I witnessed on the name of a movie...taking into consideration the increasing network traffic, dearth of bandwidth and the huge html content that it takes to vent my fury, I stop with this.


Big guys never ever say that they are big. they feel very small about themselves and thats why the world sees them so big. I think its time for some people to deliberately practice some modesty and take time to realize the meaning of the word big, before calling themselves a one...and all those realized, also realized that the word 'big' is a realitive term and there is always something bigger that what is claimed as 'big'. !!!

samy said...

Hello
Mr. Think real

First stop this nonsense by saying that you are always a person, who appreciates great efforts,
Coz you never appreciated the effort he has put in the film.
Which is not easy.
It is easy for person to say that there is no need; however you need guts and courage to do it physically.

Second
(I am quite neutral about him)
You are not at all neutral all i can see by your comments is that are totally against him,
And you also sound religious.

And so what if kamal is an atheist and if shows that in his movies at least he is not worshipping the evil.

Kamal has only explained that most of us do not care for mankind when compared to the religion, coz we all are selfish, we only care about family, our cast, and generations, isn’t it true?
Most of us are like this.
All he is saying is we need to care for the mankind.
What is wrong of he says what feels
He is right, you should appreciate the fact that he has better knowledge about the religion than the person who religious

I am a Christian but I do respect other religion,
Tell me one thing
Which religion does it say that ignore the people who are in need, only take care of you,
In which religious does it say to kill another person?

The problem is most of us feel guilty when watch something’s like this no ones wants feel that way , every wants to live in an artificial world by watching feel good movies, wealthy movies, and get back home happily, don’t care about the world.

Kamal is one person, who thinks beyond and out of the box,
Every one wants to make the same old crap repeatedly. he is one person who definitely sending a message along with entertainment, it always feels bad when someone points out at you and say you are one.


And the last one

(To make the film industry scream that kamal is a genius? To break a record that shivaji ganesan had done? To prove to the Tamil masses that he is better than shivaji ganesan?)

Film industry is talent display
so what if he wants to be better than shivaji, even when shivaji did navrathri people appreciated coz no one has ever done something like this, no one looked at the script to see if justifies,

In fact everyone knows that kamal is better than shivaji.
But kamal has always admired him.
Every actor wants to be the best no actor will reduce his performance coz some was better tan him who was his senior,
If you are talented show it.
The Shivaji the boss was the costliest film ever made in India when it was realized, was that movie made to break the records,
Why do have a problem only when kamal does it.

Tell me one actor who can do ten roles justify that with a script better than dasavathram.
A R rahaman won 21 filmfare awards, now It doesn’t mean that he wanted to break kamal hassans record of 19 film fare wards.

Now there is another actor in bollywood, who will do 14 roles in a film, so what?

So what if he wants to prove he is genius, every one in the industry wants to prove there talent.
If you have the potential do it, if don’t have accept the fact and appreciate the only who has.

What’s the pint in cribbing that there is no need?

And I have already explained to the blog writer that why he had to do the tens roles, see if can read the above comment 27

think real said...

#"First stop this nonsense by saying that you are always a person, who appreciates great efforts,
Coz you never appreciated the effort he has put in the film.Which is not easy.It is easy for person to say that there is no need; however you need guts and courage to do it physically."#


I said I appreciate efforts when it makes sense. I appreciated his effort for the movie anbae sivam. Though the movie didn't do well, I went around and told people that it was a good movie. But as far as this movie is concern, though this was done with great efforts, it did not leave an impact on people. its was not effective. Like you cry loud, If this movie was made to impart a lesson to people, then kamal should have done it for the sole purpose of imparting the lesson rather than playing the fancy dress competition. This movie might have been a better o/p if it weren't a specimen of too many experiments." It is easy for person to say that there is no need; however you need guts and courage to do it physically." what do u mean by this? Even if something is unnecessary, its all that great to do it with a great exhibition of courage???? Cut the crap...


#"Second
(I am quite neutral about him)
You are not at all neutral all i can see by your comments is that are totally against him,
And you also sound religious.
And so what if kamal is an atheist and if shows that in his movies at least he is not worshipping the evil."#


What?? If my comments are against kamal, it doesnt mean Iam not neutral. All magazines that wrote bad reviews about mumbai express wrote excellent reviews about virumaandi..does it mean they are fluctuating between positive and negative nodes? Nope. They are being neutral and bringing out the truth. According to your argument, if someone writes good long stories about kamal he is positive towards him. If someone writes against him he is negative and all those watching this dumbstruck are neutral !! Give a break, go find out the meaning of being neutral.
Iam not very religious, but I speak for all those who are religious. The religious feelings of a particular community have been targeted. Even anbae sivam spoke about love towards mankind, that was awesome because it didn't talk about any religion or community in particular. This movie does.



#"Kamal has only explained that most of us do not care for mankind when compared to the religion, coz we all are selfish, we only care about family, our cast, and generations, isn't it true?
Most of us are like this.
All he is saying is we need to care for the mankind.
What is wrong of he says what feels
He is right, you should appreciate the fact that he has better knowledge about the religion than the person who religious"
I am a Christian but I do respect other religion,
Tell me one thing
Which religion does it say that ignore the people who are in need, only take care of you,
In which religious does it say to kill another person?
The problem is most of us feel guilty when watch something's like this no ones wants feel that way , every wants to live in an artificial world by watching feel good movies, wealthy movies, and get back home happily, don't care about the world.
Kamal is one person, who thinks beyond and out of the box,
Every one wants to make the same old crap repeatedly. he is one person who definitely sending a message along with entertainment, it always feels bad when someone points out at you and say you are one."#

Nope. this explanation doesnt hold true for dasa. All these holds true for anbae sivam. That "we need to care for mankind" story has been told by thousand other movies dude. you can as well say even sivaji says the same. or you can say any vijayakanth movie will say that. Thats not the point. On the way of conveying this so called "caring for mankind" message, the movie is letting statements that equals the denial of gods existence. Thats pretty unfair. Also this has been shown with a tricky confusing screenplay so a lot of our folks jus have it unrealized. all the statements and explanations that question the existence of god are being tactically over shadowed by his ten role conspiracy, so everyone talks only about that feat and the other factors that question the existence of god went un-noticed. thats about it. So all your huge crap about *"Which religion does it say that ignore the people who are in need, only take care of you, In which religious does it say to kill another person"* is pointless here. I dont even understand why you have pulled all these topics inside this conversation and there is absolutely no time to read all your nonsense. Looks like you have no clue about the movie. the next time u sing praise for a movie, pls make sure you understood the movie before scribbling something over. We are spending valuable time to write to this. so lets try to make better use of it and lets speak to the point.
In the tail end of the movie, at the tsunami site, he asks asin that #If god really existed, why are all these happening?# 175 million years ago, a catastrophic disaster wiped all the dinosaurs from this planet. If that had not happened, you and I won't be writing e-blogs. We will be hiding in the bushes counting our days left to be fed to the tyrannosaurus. what did the poor dinosaurs do? They died for no reason. But only because of that incident, you and I are safe living creatures here. For this, you guys will pray god and thank him for all that he had done. If an equally catastrophic disaster hit you, you will start cribbing that there is no god. There are a lot of phenomena that you, me and no one can explain. We still haven't gone into science so far. It's too early to decide or argue the existence of the super natural. So the bottom line is, "care for mankind" - agree, "Question the existence of god" - disagree.



#"And the last one
(To make the film industry scream that kamal is a genius? To break a record that shivaji ganesan had done? To prove to the Tamil masses that he is better than shivaji ganesan?)Film industry is talent display
so what if he wants to be better than shivaji, even when shivaji did navrathri people appreciated coz no one has ever done something like this, no one looked at the script to see if justifies, In fact everyone knows that kamal is better than shivaji.But kamal has always admired him.Every actor wants to be the best no actor will reduce his performance coz some was better tan him who was his senior,If you are talented show it.The Shivaji the boss was the costliest film ever made in India when it was realized, was that movie made to break the records,Why do have a problem only when kamal does it.
Tell me one actor who can do ten roles justify that with a script better than dasavathram.A R rahaman won 21 filmfare awards, now It doesn't mean that he wanted to break kamal hassans record of 19 film fare wards.Now there is another actor in bollywood, who will do 14 roles in a film, so what?
So what if he wants to prove he is genius, every one in the industry wants to prove there talent.If you have the potential do it, if don't have accept the fact and appreciate the only who has.What's the pint in cribbing that there is no need?And I have already explained to the blog writer that why he had to do the tens roles, see if can read the above comment 27"#


what?? kamal is better than sivaji ganesan ?? Are you joking?? Dude...kamal had a prototype to look at. he had sivaji ganesan to look at, a great actor. he saw a model before implementing it on himself. Who did sivaji have? Can u compare the performances of sivaji's ancestors with sivaji ? sivaji ganesan lived as model who came out of a nowhere. he didnt have anybody to look at, he was a trend setter, all by himself. He was a great actor while there was no technology involved. Its like comparing marconi's radio with a latest mobile phone. Though the latest mobile looks fancy, it was all inspired and concieved from the old radio, the first ever invention that was wireless. thats a master piece, it didnt have a platform to develop upon, it concieved from a nowhere and that is genious.
The whole movie was made not to install the "care for mankind" thought but to the prove the acting prowess of kamal. The ten roles were literally done to gain fame and the efforts were all slanted towards spreading the glory of kamal and spilling some anti religious thoughts. Yes, shivaji was the highest budgeted movie, but the movie did what it was destined to do. it was only an entertainer and it did more than what it was expected to do. dasa became a cat on the wall, neither was it an entertainer nor did it spread out any useful message. So the bottomline, you can go ahead and prove your talent or your so called prodigy. but why dedicate a whole lot movie for this, without any logic, without any strong message, without any clear concept, whatever...the world knew kamal as a diffent person, why make a movie for 100 crores to prove a single fact that he is a great actor, this is making us feel that he is over ambitious and craving for power and pride.whats more, with totally lunatic fans like you, he has almost achieved what he wanted to...

I have read the entire blog, the author only argues that he doesnt deserve all that worship. If deva copies a sound track, you make fun of him, write humurous articles and push him out of the market. If kamal copies a movie, you guys will say WOW and sing his praise from top to bottom. I dont understand how you guys justify this. one simple example, gautham made a movie called "pachai kili muthucharam" which was inspired by the book "derailed". In the credits of the movie, he clearly mentioned that it was inspired by that book with the name of the book displayed. That is awesome. he didnt hide anything.
before people could start flattering him, he says the truth that the story was not his own. but here, movies have been silently copied screen by screen and then told to the world that the creator is great. whats more, even after showing this in black and white, there are still fans arguing that things are genuine...!!! god save them...

samy said...

First
I am sorry for the long comment


(Looks like you have no clue about the movie. the next time using praise for a movie, pls make sure you understood the movie before scribbling something over. We are spending valuable time to write to this.)

I am sorry I have to give you the same reply that it looks like you never had a clue about the movie.
I would recommend you to spend more time and watch the movie one more time instead of wasting your valuable time to write to this.

Now I will explain when I watched the movie for the first time I too was not able to understand the point.
The reason dasavathram is one movie that goes fast in fact it’s the fastest screenplay I have ever seen. (Especially the fight scenes)
When I watched the movie for the second time I liked the movie and I enjoyed the dialogs and I was entertained along with my friends (who do not watch movies like me), I am crazy about movies. Now when we watch the movie for the first time we only concentrate on the ten roles and the makeup for the character In between and by the time you realize the movie was over. When you watch dasavathram you need concentrate on the speech kamal gives in the beginning of the movie, which clearly indicates that the person who tells the story is same person who comes in 10 avatars, he does questions the existence of god but also justifies the same. That god has a reason for every tragedy that happens; you should also understand that if criticizing the religion, at same time he is also playing of the character with same religion.

(Also this has been shown with a tricky confusing screenplay so a lot of our folk’s jus have it unrealized.)

And why should he make a movie so that there are few things go unnoticed what are you talking? Crap. What do mean to that kamal is showing? Why should he target particular community when he worships no religion? Your point will only justify if he was believer of another god.
Dude Shivaji and vijaykanth movies also say that we need to care for the mankind, but what kamal has conveyed here is that we need to give more importance to mankind than the giving importance to god and religion, which has never been, which is a little harsh for the person who is religious, however it’s the truth.


See I have already explained to the blog writer about the movie seems like you haven’t read; I don’t want to go over it again.
The really impressive aspect of the movie for me was the screenplay, the same role that Kamal himself admitted to have enjoyed the most. As a person learning screen-writing, I see what a great job it is to beautifully blend so many complex concepts like Chaos Theory and atheism into the script. For an audience wanting pure entertainment, it doesn’t burden them with any sermons that they don’t want to hear. From the days of Michael Madana Kama Rajan, I always believed that Kamal was one of the masters of screenplay in India and this movie probably put him right at the top. Sadly, Kamal has always been viewed as an actor and hence underrated in such areas. (Another digression: it’s amusing to hear people heap Bhagyaraj with such praise, just for making successful and never-boring movies.)

Here, conveniently, some people look beyond the actor. When you go to see a man perform 10 roles in a movie, don’t you need to appreciate his effort in that aspect first? I agree that some of the make-up was overdone and prevented facial expressions. But what about body language and voice-acting? Wasn’t it terrific? Even as the protagonist Govind, did we notice Kamal drop his usual mannerisms?
Special effects were suprisingly tacky in some key scenes. As Brian Jennings admitted, they probably ran out of time and money. Nevertheless, the many scenes involving multiple Kamal characters were wonderfully done.
I am really disappointed with people who claim to be real Kamal fans and compare Dasavathaaram to Nayagan or Mahanadhi or Anbe Sivam. What were they expecting with Aascar Ravichandran as producer and KS Ravikumar as director? Let me clarify that I’m not shifting the blame to these two individuals even one bit. As Kamal fans, we should have understood what we were in for. We should be happy that Kamal was able to put forth great ideas in a commercial format, something which has potential to become a big success, instead of making a movie like Hey Ram (which I worship, by the way) that made its way out of theatres and into university curriculum in no time.

(Neither was it an entertainer nor did it spread out any useful message.

I am not sure if the movie spread a useful message, however the movie has completed 50 days,
I am not saying fifty days in Tamilnadu, 50 days in Bangalore. So it has been an entertainer.


I will reply tomorrow for (kamal is better than sivaji ganesan)

samy said...

kamal is better than sivaji ganesan ?
Yes he is certainly,
Ok now let remove the technology and the make up as say, still if you
Shivaji can only act in a particular style, delivering dialogs as though he is singing. It’s more suited for stage plays
shivaji was not versatile as kamal, and he could only do roles that suits him and his body.
Shivaji could only act in one language, however kamal has acted in more than one language
Kamal not only had shivaji to look at he had other actors as well.
Shivaji was not as dedicated as kamal when it comes to do a particular character, as kamal
Kamal used to do a lot of home work before he enacts the character, like reducing weight, shaving his head or flaunting a beard, shivaji was not as realistic as kamal.

The reason why kamal stands out among all the best actors, coz he is extremely talented.
Other than what I have stated above he can also dance, fight, sing, screenplay, produce and direct a movie
He is also involved I makeup, when I say make up I don’t mean the one which looks good
I mean the one like anbesivam,

And if you still think he not better it height of ignorance.

(The ten roles were literally done to gain fame and the efforts were all slanted towards spreading the glory of kamal)

Gain fame ????????
Why does he have too? Actors like kamal rajni amithab have reached a stage were they don’t have to do something to gain fame. Kamal at least works hard and gains fame, unlike others

samy said...

kamal is better than sivaji ganesan ?
Yes he is certainly,
Ok now let’s remove the technology and the make up as you say, still if you see
Shivaji can only act in a particular style, delivering dialogs as though he is singing. It’s more suited for stage plays
shivaji was not versatile as kamal, and he could only do roles that suits him and his body.
Shivaji could only act in one language, however kamal has acted in more than one language
Kamal not only had shivaji to look at he had other actors as well.
Shivaji was not as dedicated as kamal when it comes to do a particular character, as kamal
Kamal used to do a lot of home work before he enacts the character, like reducing weight, shaving his head or flaunting a beard, shivaji was not as realistic as kamal.

The reason why kamal stands out among all the best actors, coz he is extremely talented.
Other than what I have stated above he can also dance, fight, sing, screenplay, produce and direct a movie
He is also involved I makeup, when I say make up I don’t mean the one which looks good
I mean the one like anbesivam,

And if you still think he is not better than its height of ignorance.

(The ten roles were literally done to gain fame and the efforts were all slanted towards spreading the glory of kamal)

Gain fame ????????
Why does he have too? Actors like kamal rajni amithab have reached a stage were they don’t have to do something to gain fame. Kamal at least works hard and gains fame, unlike others

Schumi Fan(atic) said...

Dude Samy,
In the comment before the latest one, where you started with the words, "First I am sorry for the long comment", you must be ashamed to do wat you have done. YOU HAVE COPIED AND PASTED THE COMMENTS OF A KAMAL FAN BLOGGER FROM THIS LINK: http://www.allthingskamal.info/blog/2008/06/17/dasavathaaram-my-review-thoughts/. And didn't even credit the author. And the entirre comment is written in first-person. It clearly shows your inability to even reply on your own. Such a sick thing to do. What else can one expect from a Kamal fan.

samy said...

Schumi Fan(atic) said...

Hey
DUDE I NEVER TOLD IT WAS MINE..

by the way were did you pope out from, all of a sudden after 2 weeks, all these days you were sitting quiet like a cat, coz you didn’t have an answer,

Now you have come to support Mr. Think real.

Ok fine as you say I AM SICK and my inability.
What about rest 12 comments.
Try and find a link.
OR
Sit quiet like a cat


And,
What about you? YOU HAVE COPIED THE WHOLE DEFINITION OF CHAOS THEORY FROM THE NET. AND you NEVER BOTHERED TO MENTION IT.

I have at least accepted that you are have better knowledge about chaos theory even though I knew you have copied from the net.

First look at yourself before you comment on others, Imagine how sick you are?
And I am not a kamal fan as you and your friends mention before each blog,
I do appreciate kamal for the effort and hardowrk, which he is always been doing.

Schumi Fan(atic) said...

I knew I was getting a Kamal like reply, "I NEVER SAID IT WAS MINE". When I picked the definition of Chaos Theory from wiki, it was to clarify your own no-sense definition for a SCIENTIFIC FACT. I was quoting the dictionary to make sure that a FACT is not mis-quoted.

WHAT YOU HAVE DONE, IS COPIED PERSONAL OPINIONS AND VIEWS OF A PERSON. Which is a sick thing to do. When your prof in college defines the Pythogoras theorem, he has to quote Pythogoras, its not a copy. The world knows that your prof didnt invent the theory. The same with Chaos Theory, the world knows that I didn't originate the theory.

You have copied the views and opinions of a person, which is his own, to argue a point which was aimed at your opinion.

And what questions or comments I respond to, are my prerogative. Your right stops with just writing your view.

I am just requesting (just a request, no order) you to keep writing. It keeps me entertained!!!!

samy said...

First of all
I appreciate the fact that you are still posting my comments,

I just explained chaos theory in one line; I was not trying to give the exact definition.
As usual, you couldn’t understand you went a head and copied the whole definition and showed it to me as though you had a better knowledge about chaos theory, Ok, fair enough, I did appreciate the fact t that you had better knowledge about chaos theory.



(And what questions or comments I respond to, are my prerogative.)
So you want to argue only to those who cannot give you back. hahaha

I am happy to know that, coz I have read all your above comments you have responded so sarcastically and behaved as though you knew everything.


Accept the fact that you do not have an answer, instead writing nonsense.

(Your right stops with just writing your view.)

I am sorry I don’t write my view

This is not my view, this is the fact that I am trying to explain for your own no-sense blog.

I don’t believe in your view or my view.
I only believe the right view.

Now try and search a link for the above comments.
Try to find out where I copied from?

You will be entertained.

Schumi Fan(atic) said...

Not replying to your comment doesn't mean one doesn't have an answer (not that it warrants an answer). And I didnt have to spend hours and hours to find out that your post was copied. Any person with a normal intelligence can find out the change writing style and A PROPER USE OF THE LANGUAGE, in 1 or 2 minutes. The it takes only a sub-second google search to find out where it was copied from. Please do not escalate yourself by thinking that people spend hours and hours and research your comments!!!! Again this took me only a minute!!! I am sure you are going to reply to this and make me laugh!!!!

samy said...

(Not replying to your comment doesn't mean one doesn't have an answer)

DUDE it definitely means that you do not have an answer. That is why your you have joined that Mr. Real thing bandwagon
Now don’t tell me that it only took 1 minute for you to write this blog.

Don’t be proud of your language.
What’s the point when you do not make sense?
I do agree my language is not as good as yours, (will make an effort to learn the language) but it is good enough for you to understand

If you were in my position even you would have had the same language as mine.
You cannot prove anything by making fun of others weakness.

You can laugh,
I am happy that you’re getting jacked.

Taake it taake it

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